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Attribution of Venia in morte Josquini, cantores suavissimi (Benedictus Ducis)
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Upon examining the music, I found that the note material is (almost) identical to that of Musae Iovis (Benedictus Appenzeller), which I knew from before. Then I went on to search for sources, and could find nothing on this piece with attribution to Ducis at DIAMM or CMME. My question is: the one edition that is uploaded to CPDL, which source is it based on? It is user Willem Verkaik who uploaded it, so maybe he can answer to this, but any other that has a clue, please comment. |
Interesting Copyright Court Case in the U.S.
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An interesting U.S. federal district court decision: IO Group vs. Veoh More information about registering is here. It doesn't look like CPDL has registered. I spoke tonight with an attorney at the firm that represented the defendant, and am in the process of scheduling a meeting to get more information for CPDL. |
PD Designation Include 'Arrangement'?
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I'm looking specifically at the Barbershop listing of 30 songs |
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Copyright information mismatch
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I've noted that some CPDL editions that are hosted on the CPDL servers show non-CPDL copyright statement (e.g., "personal"). This page states that "The CPDL copyright license applies to all scores and texts which reside on the CPDL server". If this statement is correct, I think that copyright information of all the scores hosted on the CPDL servers should be changed to "CPDL". If this statement is wrong, it should be corrected to avoid a mismatch. A topic was started on the old phpBB2 forums, approximately with the same subject, without any reply (probably because the phpBB2 forum failed in that period). What's the opinion of the admins? Max |
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clemnotes.com site for rating choral pieces
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Hi, I just stumbled on a new site that's still in beta version, but it allows directors to rate choral pieces and search through a large database of choral music. I like that eventually (given the site takes off) we'll be able to get specific feedback about whether a piece will work for our individual choirs or not. You might check it out: www.clemnotes.com. Anyone else been there yet? Iris |
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How CPDL gets the copyrights on sheetmusic?
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Hi, On the sheetmusic that comes from the CPDL, it is mentioned that CPDL possess the copyright(s) and everyone should freely use this material. The CPDL, for however it may be, claims the copyright(s). I should like to know how and with what criteria CPDL all this material have previously investigated so CPDL can be owner of these copyrights particulary in Europe. Further, in this connection it is a pity that on the sheetmusic there mostly is not a mention of i.e. the origin of the CPDL material. thanks! jaap douma |
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Copyrights: More restrictions in Europe?
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Hi, A Question that concerns me is the following issue: In CHORALWIKI: "About Copyright" it is mentioned that in Europe there are 5 seperate copyrights with a single composer. But from the board of copyrightholders in the Netherlands I got a message concerning the music and sheetmusic that is offered by CPDL should not be legal while this music should not be precise the original creation of that composer. In German , it is not the same as the UrText. For example, a work created in 1300 should not exactly be used in the CPDL sheetmusic. The sheetmusic offered by CPDL should be divergent and possibly been edited. I can't hardly believe that allegation but can someone help me to clear this problem? regards, jaap douma |
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Copyright only if simular to the original
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Good Afternoon, I have learned that " most of the CPDL musical offers" could be legal even in Europe. But in spite of that I have a question about the copyright when I use cpdl material. If in Europe the cpdl material mostly is legal, in the Netherlands nevertheless you may copy and freely use it with the following restrictions: "composer . . died more than 70 years ago" conform with the cpdl-rules. AND you have used an "original script from that composer" , in German a UrText. My question is in this relation: ' how can I be sure that the cpdl material is obtained from the original material?' For music from the middle ages it means that the sheetmusic is similar to that original from say 1300. Who can help me on this topic? regards, jaap douma |
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Vincenzo Ruffo
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I would be grateful if someone would upload more of Ruffo's later sacred works, particularly his Masses (such as Missa Sanctissimae Trinitatis). It is surprising that he has only one work represented on CPDL. Thank you. |
Jacob Handl's O Admirabile Commercium
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Hi. I'm looking for a PD copy of Jacob Handl's SSAATTBB O Admirabile Commercium. I have a copy of the Ernest White edited version published by Theodore Presser but was hoping to find a PD copy for my choir. If anyone knows of where to find a PD copy, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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Orlando di Lasso
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Please, if anyone can help me to find a piece of Lassus "Poi che'l mio largo pianto"! I do need it very much indeed! Thanks! |
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Until a few months ago a copy of a score called Chi chi li chi was available here at CPDL, but it was mis-attributed to Andrea Gabrieli. It wasn't rightly included in the di Lasso section, but in any case it has been removed completely now. Is there any way for me to get a hold of it or any other arrangement of this piece? Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
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Hi! I don't know why the search engine doesn't bring this score, but it is still available at CPDL. As for the authorship, it seems many composers of the time made arrangements for this popular theme. Lassus himself had two versions, a 3 and a 6 voci. Giovanni Domenico da Nola also made one. I just heard a recording of di Lassus' setting and it is indeed very similar to this score available here, but there are still diferences, which leads me to conclude this is in fact a Gabrieli's work as stated. ---inbedded note--- the search engine didn't find it because each of the elements of the title are 3 characters or less. Elements of 3 characters or less are eliminated from a search - and are guarenteed to yeild no results. Thry searching for "1v" which occurs in hundreds of scores - you find no results.---- Johnhenryfowler 00:37, 6 August 2008 (PDT) |
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Googling on this subject, I incidentally found that Giovanni Domenico da Nola's setting was already at CPDL, uploaded by user Alqasar on 2007-10-15. A page for this score now exists and can be found here. |
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Thank you very much! |
New interesting paragraph of the Italian copyright law
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On February 9, 2008, a new paragraph (para. 1b of art. 70) of the Italian copyright law came into force. The original text in Italian is the following: È consentita la libera pubblicazione attraverso la rete internet, a titolo gratuito, di immagini e musiche a bassa risoluzione o degradate, per uso didattico o scientifico e solo nel caso in cui tale utilizzo non sia a scopo di lucro. Con decreto del Ministro per i beni e le attività culturali, sentiti il Ministro della pubblica istruzione e il Ministro dell’università e della ricerca, previo parere delle Commissioni parlamentari competenti, sono definiti i limiti all’uso didattico o scientifico di cui al presente comma. Does anybody know whether similar provisions exist in other countries, too (besides the well known "fair use" of the U.S. regulations)? |
Suitability of orchestral parts
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It was suggested on my talk page that I ask the powers that be here whether it is appropriate to upload non-choral orchestral parts to choral pieces such as this one. I've assumed it will only be a matter of time before that choral score is added, but I find it hard to make out the precise scope of ChoralWiki. For example, are 'unison (one-per-part) and piano' scores officially welcome? |
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Hi Richard. Good question! Put simply, any work which contains one or more voices is welcome at CPDL. This includes works for unison voices, solo vocal works, and choral works. Orchestral parts are most definitely welcome on CPDL, as long as the work they are for is scored for choir (or, a solist or group of soloists). Solo vocal works are also most welcome (obviously they're even more welcome with a vocal score as well!) I've recently been playing around with Henry Purcell's page to separate the choral and solo vocal works. The only thing to be aware of is that there is a whole set of separate categories for solo vocal works - if you're not sure that you've applied the right one, just ask here and someone will help you out. Unison works, for example, are not categorised as solo vocal as they are most likely to be sung by a choir in usison - see Jerusalem (Charles Hubert Hastings Parry) for an example. I hope this answers your question. |
Request for: Eustache du Caurroy - 'Missa pro defunctis'
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Could anyone upload the score of wonderful Eustache du Caurroy's Missa pro defunctis (requiem)? In particular I would like to teach my choir the first part: "Requiem aeternam". Thank you everybody, Paolo. |
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There is a page that automatically collects requests on CPDL, and I notice that there is no Request filed there. Requests made via ChoralWiki:Request a Score are automatically indexed at Category:Requests. I tried to create an entry for this piece at Request:Missa pro defunctis (Eustache du Caurroy) so it shows up when people review the list of what music has been requested. You can use the Watch feature to monitor that page. Please feel free to make changes/corrections. I did have some questions about the Requests process that I posted on the discussion page for the piece, which seems to be behaving strangely (discussion link remains red, but when clicked takes me to edit the discussion page rather than viewing it). Appreciate someone taking a look. |
Request for: Elgar - 'Give unto the Lord'
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Could anyone be persuaded to produce the vocal score for this wonderful anthem (maybe with just cues from the organ part)? It has been on the 'request' list for some years, with Robert Nottingham as a volunteer. (Robert has recently produced a high quality score of another of Elgar's anthems, 'Great is the Lord', but I think he is too busy at the moment to take on another score!) Thanks, Roger. |
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Just hang on a few more weeks, Roger. It's in the works! |
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Hello Robert: it is Welsford here (you remember, broke up a fight between you and the then Pres of Leics. Choral Soc. Is it you that has volunteered to do the 'Fear not, O land' of Elgar too? I am keen to do it for Harvest and this will be the third year so would like to produce a set of our own. Is it you? Who is it? Tell me, tell me! Will |
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Hello Lard (sorry - Will). Jolly good thing you broke up that fight - I thought she was about to knock my block off! I can do that piece of Elgar for you as well, if you like, though I don't recall volunteering to do it. I think I have a copy lying around somewhere... |
The Creation by Haydn
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Is it possible to make available the full score of The Creation by Haydn? |
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Since it's such a large work, you may have more success asking at the IMSLP (International Music Score Library Project) or on the IMSLP forums. |
Scanned scores
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I found elsewhere two Bach's Cantatas in PDF format scanned from paper scores. They haven't any copyright info, should I assume they're copyrighted? |
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I'm not a lawyer, yada yada yada... I'd be inclined to assume they are copyright but in the absense of any details of editor or publisher, there's not much you can do to find out. It's a tricky one but because Bach is in the pd and also as the editorial additions will be minimal at best, I suggest that you can copy it with a clear concience. Now if the composer was not in the pd or an editor is listed then that would be a different matter entirely, of course. |
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Not sure what country you're in. You should assume the edition is copyrighted unless the edition says so or you have actual reason to believe its copyright expired. |
Score for Corsican Chant
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I'm studying music theory and would like to look at any score of traditional Corsican chant, but I can't find any on line or at the local (University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee) music library. Any leads would be greatly appreciated! Thank you. Karen |
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I have Vinu di Petra, an edition of (some) Corsican pieces edited by Chantal Landi and Marie Colonna de' Paoli. Published by Van de Velde (Paris). ISMN: M-56005-264-9. |
Message for "Violino" who requested other language choral pieces
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Hi "Violino" There's a Greek one that you might like: It's called Apolytikion (a dismissal at the end of a service) and is based on the original Byzantine chant Kind regards David |
I've reposted a missing score
(moved here from: CPDL support, help, and feedback)
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See: I was glad (Henry Purcell) I've reposted Andrew Crookall's score of Henry Purcell's "I was glad" If there is any reason to restore the old CPDL number to this reposting someone that knows how to find this information out is invited to make the change. |
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Thanks for that, John. It seems that Raf deleted a number of score pages which contained Andrew Crookall's editions when his site went down. I remember restoring How beautiful upon the mountains (John Stainer) that I found by chance (it was still linked from the composer page as I recall). The CPDL numbers are around the 8000 mark but it's anyone's guess as to which ones were Andrew Crookall's... in my opinion, new catalogue numbers are fine in this case. Please do post any more lost editions that you have on your computer. |
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Great! I have been looking for this score - it is a great piece, which I am thinking of using. - Roger. (PS one needs a degree in Computer Science to drive this forum :-) ) |