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Welcome! and thank you for all the new scores you have been posting to ChoralWiki. There is just one minor omission with what you have done:

When you copy the code from the addworks form onto the works page, you are (apparently uniformly) omitting the first line

==Music files==

(which is right before the line consisting of {{Legend}}). In other words, the works pages should begin with:

==Music files==

We can fix the pages you've already created by hand, but it would be less work for admins if you could include the missing line in the future. Thanks very much!

Page names

Hi James. Great to see all your editions appearing on here! Just one thing - please title page with just the title of the work followed by the composer name. So for all these hymns, the tune name should not be in the page title but in the page itself. Users searching for the tune will find it in the page if they search for it. I will correct the existing cases but please remember this for the future.

I would also mention capitalisation - where the title of the work is the first line of the text as it so often is for hymns, only proper nouns and the first word should be capitalised. However, you seem to be doing this already. Many thanks for all your contributions and merry Christmas! --Bobnotts talk 16:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi James, to correct a page name, as Rob suggested above, you don't need to create a new page (it's in fact bad because we end up with duplicate pages); all you need to do is use the "move" option on top of the page to move it to another title, ok? Thank you for all your contributions! —Carlos Email.gif 13:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi James. As Carlos mentioned above, please don't create duplicate pages for the same edition. I've just deleted Factum est silentium (John Dering). Thanks --Bobnotts talk 12:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi James, thank you for this new Mass by Casciolini! For masses, it's a general standard here at CPDL to put all parts in a single page, especially when the voicing and instrumentation for all parts is identical. I've done that for the parts you already uploaded; if you intend to add new parts (as the Credo or Sanctus), please do it in the same manner. Thanks! —Carlos Email.gif 16:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Anglican chants


I noticed a lot of new titles of the form "Psalm n, composer in key (full name)". Are these all from one collection, to which one might refer for the pointed texts? If so, it might make sense to just call them "anthology # n, composer in key". In any case, Genre Anglican chants with a lower case c will get you a working link.

All the best, Richard Mix 23:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Say, watchman, what of the night? (Arthur Sullivan)

It's very nice to see all the Sullivan editions! I changed the accompt. to "organ", but this is a funny one, in that I cant imagine the doubling of the opening unison bits being desirable, but the seventh in the last chord of the penultimate line ("gloom") seems intentional. Are the small notes (implying rehearsal only) in your source? Btw, the bass note in m19 is missing. All the best, Richard Mix 04:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Titling Anglican chants

Hi James. I've been struggling to decide on the best way to title the Anglican chants that you have been adding where there is no psalm text, just the chant. These contributions are most welcome but I think your current way of titling them (particularly when including the composer surname twice) is not the best format. I've just moved one of them to Double Anglican Chant in E-flat Major (Kellow John Pye). Do you think this is a good compromise? Please don't add any more chants until we've decided on a standard for titling them as moving pages can become a lot of work when there's a lot to go through! I'd appreciate your comments here or if you'd prefer to reply by email, you'll find the address on my user page. --Bobnotts talk 11:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Bob, I hope by replying here you will pick it up. (I find the various ways of contacting people on CPDL mildly counter-intuitive, so I may only be replying to myself!)
Sorry for the confusion I've caused with the chants without words attached. It's because that's how I've named them when I've transcribed them into Capella, since I stored them in a separate psalm folder, rather than in the respective composer folders.
Given that they can be used for more or any psalm, naming them by double/single and key seems the best way forward. Indeed, it's what I did with the one of my own that I put up very recently, since it wasn't associated with a particular psalm text in my mind.
I'll avoid adding any more with the name and a specific psalm attached. (I've got very few left anyway that wouldn't require a composer to be added as well.) If you can let me know when the editors had decided if single/double plus key is the way forward, I'll start again with the last few.
If it's not overcomplicated adjusting the existing ones, I'd be happy to help, rather than dump it on to the editors.
Just back from Italy. (You can probably plot my Italian trips from the increase in volume of submissions, since I tend to have more free time then!) However, I think most of the other stuff I have on Capella is still within copyright in the UK, which is 70 years from the composer's death. So it's just stuff that I've transcribed for learning purposes. Perhaps slightly sad singing along to a computer!Jamesgibb 17:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi James. You can see my request for replying to messages at the top of my talk page. I think the way I've named the Pye chat I linked to above is the best way forward. Let me know if you have any other thoughts. --Bobnotts talk 08:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Hymn metres

Hi James, I think it was a good idea to ask Chuck about this subject, but when in doubt you can always check here the already existing categories. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 14:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Textpage links

Hi, nice work with the Boyce editions! May I make plea to add them to the textpage when you use the LinkText template? If the same person doesnt do both it can easily fall through the cracks. All the best, Richard Mix 15:54, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

Dowland: His golden locks


Just posted an edition of this myself (and of course looking at everyone else's to steal their good ideas), and I think perhaps yours runs into difficulty with the key-signature. Although the piece is in G (myxolidian-ish), there's no signature in the original, so I think you need to naturalise some of the F sharps that arise from putting in a key-signature. For example, the chords at bar 10 (my edition) are F major (even though the 1st 2 editions of the songbook put a rogue, excruciating F sharp in the Altus part). --DaveF 04:53, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

This has now kicked off quite a discussion on my Talk page, which you may not have seen. I think a consensus has been reached on the future of Brian's edition. --DaveF 11:21, 30 April 2012 (CDT)

File:Ipse est qui post me.pdf

Hi James, we received a complaint on the forums that this file was defective. I could not open it either. Could you please re-upload it? Thanks. —Carlos Email.gif 15:34, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

Boyce's Te Deum and Jubilate in C

Hi James, I'm planning to standardize the entries for the Services in Boyce's page (see here for more info) and noticed that in Grove, both your Te Deum in C and Jubilate in C are given as a single entry (Te Deum and Jubilate, C, full, c1760, Cfm, Lbl†, Ob, A, N). Would you mind if I merge your editions in a single page, or do you think they are better off the way they are now? Regards. —Carlos Email.gif 14:05, 4 June 2012 (CDT)


Hi, James.

Congratulations! You just been made an Administrator here at the ChoralWiki, as well as a moderator at the CPDL forums. We are glad to have your many contributions already and look forward to your continued efforts to improved CPDL. You will notice that you have a few more options available for pages here (delete, protect, etc.) and can edit protected pages, block malicious users, etc. If you have any question, feel free to ask any of the rest of the admins. At the forums you will find that here is an Administrative discussions section visible and available for you to discuss and check up on CPDL issues. Welcome aboard!

Chucktalk Giffen 15:27, 26 June 2012 (CDT)

Welcome as an admin here and many thanks for the good work yet done! Claude 16:21, 26 June 2012 (CDT)
May I join in and congratulate you (slightly overdue, alas) on becoming an admin. Great to have you here! joachim 09:00, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

Senex puerum portabat

James, the new version you just uploaded of File:Senex puerum portabat.pdf appears truncated to me (I see only about 2/3 of the score, both in width and height). Can you check, please? Thanks —Carlos Email.gif 22:02, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

Everything looks fine now, thanks! —Carlos Email.gif 08:35, 11 July 2012 (CDT)

The church's one foundation

Hi James, you might want to have a look at the midi file for this score. Wouldn't want my choir to sing it that way, anyway. ;) joachim 09:00, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

Cantate Domino (Sweelinck

Hi James, your edition has the note values doubled! See original print: [1]

Marenzio Quell'augellin

Hi James,

my corrective suggestions are based on a facsimile I found at Early Music Online: [[2]]. You can download the whole file as pdf at the bottom of this page. I found a few more glitches and updated the list on the discussion page. Please review for correction of your own edition.
I think it is easier to list them here:
Bar 7, Alto: 1st note must remain g#
Bar 7, all parts: position of hyphen la-sci-vet-to
Bar 11/12, Soprano: recommended text underlay l'al-be-te͜ al
Bar 14, Soprano: wrong text underlay
Bar 20, Soprano: must remain g#
Bar 20/21 Alto: remains f#. Not f#͜ g but f#͜ f#
Bar 38, Soprano: must remain f#
Bar 51ff, all parts: position of hyphen ri-spon-de
Bar 60, Bass: 2nd note must be g
With kind regards Gerd

Tommaso Baj

Hallo Jamesgibb!
I read on ChoralWiki that the Italian composer Tommaso Baj was born in Crevalcore, 10 July 1636, but his birthdate is not on Grove Dictionary or other musical encyclopedia. Please, may you tell me your source? Thank you very much.
Your sincerely. --Antonella (talk) 19:55, 1 November 2012 (CDT)


Great editions! I finally remembered just where a previous discussion of plurals took place, and added the request. Richard Mix (talk) 14:49, 5 November 2012 (CST)


Hi James, thank you for your generosity in contributing to the site maintenance! :)

On another subject, I've changed slightly the works headers on your composer page in order to make a more clear separation between compositions and arrangements, hope you like it. You may revert my last edit if you prefer it the other way around.

Regards, —Carlos (talk) 10:19, 24 November 2012 (CST)

No problem at all, Carlos. Thanks. Jamesgibb (talk) 16:48, 26 November 2012 (CST)

Text pages

Hi James, please have a look at the discussion I've started regarding adding voicings to the Text pages. I still think that the automated listings were the best alternative, but if you prefer to maintain these pages by hand, let's try to keep it simple by adding just the number of voices (a 3, a 4) instead of voicings (that can change from edition to edition). Kind regards, —Carlos (talk) 05:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi James, good news for you: I've changed {{LinkText}} to present the same functionality of {{LnkTxt}} (which is now deprecated). So you may use just LinkText from now on, regardless of whether the text page is automated or not. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 19:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi James, when adding LinkText to a page, please don't remove {{Text}} from it unless you also remove the text completely. Thanks —Carlos (talk) 18:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi James, please before deleting redirects, always check if there are no other pages pointing to them (by using the "What links here" option in the left menu). Thanks. —Carlos (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

James, no problem at all, you've been doing a great cleanup work, as these redirects usually show up in the search box as a duplicate entry when someone types the first few letters of the title. Thanks also for the Pange lingua remark, it was in fact just a mix of everyone's suggestions :) —Carlos (talk) 05:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

{{Text}} template

Hi James, please don't replace this template with {{Flag}} without a previous discussion with the other admins. The template {{Textlanguage»}} signals the existence of text in that language on pages it is used. If you want to remove it, please also remove the text below it and leave on the page just the {{LinkText}}. Thanks, —Carlos (talk) 02:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Carlos. There are various issues that have come up while I've been tidying the Latin text pages and I've been thinking that it's time to have a more general discussion. Where would be the best place to have this? I'm a bit vague about how to ensure that all the admins. register that a discussion is needed.
Jamesgibb (talk) 06:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

One option could be to start a topic at the "Admin and Moderator forum" and then send an email to all admins inviting them to join in the discussion. —Carlos (talk) 06:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


James, thanks for correcting those filenames in Frédéric Debons pages! In order to avoid this kind of problem in the future, I also renamed a couple of other files by him that were somewhat ambiguous. Cheers, —Carlos (talk) 02:39, 11 July 2013 (UTC)



I've noticed some changed spellings of "e", "oe" and "ae" in textpages and wonder if you're going by a specific book? It's particularly hard to figure out what the 'standard' version of Ad caenam agni providi might to be... All the best, Richard Mix (talk) 21:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi James, I also noticed one such change in the text of the Psalm 5 [3] and was wondering why. Is it better for textual searches, maybe? Regards, —Carlos (talk) 21:54, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

For the psalms, I've been standardising on the Clementine Vulgate and the verse numbering from The Book of Psalms from the Clementine Vulgate, published by John Pierce, Boston 2012. This is stated a being based on the M Tweedale edition, available online at I've adopted Pierce's punctuation and spelling, apart from ligatures, which I've expanded to the separate letters. (I actually think the ligatures look more elegant, but guess that, for search purposes, most users won't necessarily know what key combination produces it.)

For office hymns, I've used The Hymns of the Breviary and Missal, edited by Rev Matthew Britt OSB printed by Benziger Brothers 1922. I've used the spelling in that, though I guess that sometimes it may use US rationalised spelling (fetus for foetus, for example).

On the coelum/caelum etc issue, I've left works pages unchanged and used the majority view from text pages when naming the text page.

For Hierusalem/Ierusalem/Jerusalem and Iesus/Jesus, I've standardised any text page I've created on Jerusalem/Jesus, since I think people are more likely to search on the J spelling.

I think that sums up most of the points Richard and Carlos have raised. Other people might choose to take a different view, since I don't think there is a 'standard' version. For example, German spelling of Latin often differs from Italian spelling of the same Latin text. I think all I am hoping to achieve is a more logical structure to the text pages, if only to encourage people to link to them, rather than creating there own versions (which seems to be happening a bit with some of the regular contributors at least) I suppose the other aim is to make it easier for people searching for setting of a particular text to find all the settings in one place.

I'm currently working back through the Latin texts, creating text pages if there are at least two works pages. Once I've completed that, it would be sensible to have a discussion among the administrators to decide what further needs to be done, including if necessary undoing some of the things I've done! Jamesgibb (talk) 17:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanations, they are fine by me. —Carlos (talk) 23:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

psalm 55(54)

I added the motet "Timor et tremor" by Sigismondo d'India. I did not indicate that this is from psalm 55 (54). How does it get to the Psalms matrix? Wverkaik (talk) 10:43, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Rorate caeli

Hi James,

Would you like to weigh in on getting these pages under control? There's also some old merge discussions that can be found from here. Richard Mix (talk) 02:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


Bravo for the energy with which you've made new text pages! We're all prone to make mistakes like this, but might I ask you to be especially deliberate in standardizing the "settings" format of existing pages? I can live with If ye love me SATB, AATB, TTBB, AATT, SSAT or... if need be but accompaniment info. is crucial to some users: I just had to go back in the page history to use Regina caeli as I wished. All the best, Richard Mix (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Webbe's When winds breathe soft

Hi James. Just to let you know I've popped a reply on my talk page. Sorry for the delay. --Bobnotts talk 09:12, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Purcell anthems

Btw, though something is currently haywire at Grove online, there's a pretty accurate list of Z numbers on WP and in my sandbox. Thanks and looking forward to the next! Richard Mix (talk) 01:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Title vs text

Hi James!

You've been renaming lots of pages recently to correct their capitalization, that's great! I have doubts, though, when it comes to a title given by the composer itself. Should we respect the original title, or replace with the text, as has been done to Each and all join in the stream (Jon Corelis)? Maybe the composer should be consulted prior to such changes?

And now, a request: when merging (or splitting) pages, please include in the summary field the page title from/to where the merging is occurring (for instance, when merging the works at Each and all join in the stream (Jon Corelis), you could have written in the summary something like "merged from Anthem (a cappella version) (Traditional)"; the same could have been done when deleting this latter page. By doing so, everyone can track the changes more easily.

Best, —Carlos Email.gif 16:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

A marriage blessing (Kathryn Rose)

Hi again, James

Please help me understand your reasoning behind this renaming. On Wikipedia, "A Marriage Blessing" would be considered a title and written with all initials capitalized, since it's not any part of the text. PS: The same is valid for Modern musick (William Billings) also. :^)

And another tip: when moving pages, there's an option "Leave a redirect behind" that you can uncheck to save you the extra work of having to delete the redirect after the move (in this case, two redirects: the page itself and the talk page).

Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 02:06, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, replied on my talk page. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 16:02, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Bernier O triumphantis

Hello James, I think I've sort of made a bit of a horrible mistake on Bernier's page; I tried to upload a new score, alas I misspelled it. The file is uploaded, but will not "show blue", even though I edited it afterwards. Hopefully you should be able to somehow amend it? Also, I have produced instrumental parts for it, but I am not too sure how to deal with them. When you have some time I'd be obliged if you took a look at it. Do enjoy Italy by the way! --Chrysalifourfour (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, apparently I was a little bit too hasty. I think I've rectified the error, so all that is now left is a misspelled page that should be deleted. False alarm then! Do though tell me, what do I do with the parts? Can I include them in the particular motet's page? If so, how do I do that? Thanks again :-) --Chrysalifourfour (talk) 23:47, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Jacquet de Mantua: In die tribulationis

Hello James, you changed the lyrics of Jacquet's In die tribulationis, and linked it instead to the Lyrics page In die tribulationis. The text on the lyrics page, however, is not the same as the lyrics of Jacquet's motet. So, either you should (or should I?) add the missing passages to the In die tribulationis page, or the Jacquet motet page should have its own lyrics and should not be linked to the In die tribulationis lyrics page. Imruska (talk) 22:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll add a plea to use caution when deleting text: this edit confuses the offertory text with a different one. I'm generally in favor of leaving non-well-established variants on the work page anyway. Richard Mix (talk) 09:13, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Tony Kline

Hi James, maybe you haven't seen my reply on Hor che'l ciel e la terra yet. Please don't continue changing the contents of the Lyricist field until we reach a consensus on this. Thank you. —Carlos Email.gif 01:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello James, here is my first attempt at a template for translators: {{Translator|Anthony S. Kline}} displays
Translation by Anthony S. Kline
This is supposed to be placed above below a text block, as usual. The text displayed is completely configurable.
And regarding categorization, I suggested earlier that we categorized the pages under a "Category:Anthony S. Kline translations" but then I remembered that we already have lots of categories of the type "Category:Italian translations" etc. and the similarity could potentially lead to DPL query errors in the future. What about "Category:Translations by Anthony S. Kline", does it sound natural? Another alternative is "Category:Anthony S. Kline's translations", with a possessive 's. —Carlos Email.gif 16:40, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I've included the template in Zefiro torna e il bel tempo rimena, so that you may see it in action. Note that in this specific case what is listed on his page is a link to the text page, not to the works that use that text. —Carlos Email.gif 15:19, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Carlos. It's probably going to be after the weekend that I can catch up on this, but it sounds a useful addition.
Jamesgibb (talk) 08:30, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Carlos. Luckily I didn't specify WHICH weekend I was talking about! However, I have now sorted out the Tony Kline mess and, in addition, sorted a few other pages where I had confused translators with lyricists. Thanks for your work on this - much more rational than my rather messy attempt to give proper recognition to translators. There are now four translators on the Translators page and, if they are only translators, I have removed the category Lyricists from their individual pages.

One thought I had was that some people might fit into both categories. Victorian translatore like JOhn Mason Neale, or Edward Caswall might be examples. On reflection though, I think that is not a problem. If their words, whether translated or not, have been set to music, then they are Lyricists; if we are merely using a translation which has not been set me music, they are translators. A single page can take care of both categories, without confusion, given the appropriate templates and headings.

Have just had a very pleasant lunch with Max Capozza and his wife. They were on their way north from Rome for a Salieri concert and stopped by at our house in Umbria on the way. Whether you and I will ever meet physically is less likely, I think!
Jamesgibb (talk) 18:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

That's so nice! I hope you have liked the small gift from us all (Max's idea!) for your achievement. 1500 scores posted is such a milestone! It would be a pleasure to meet you guys one day, I'm also Italian (ho la doppia cittadinanza, grazie a mio nonno) and returning to Italy in the near future is in my plans, after more than 15 years.
The translator pages look fine, thanks for reorganizing it all. You may have noticed that the template no longer categorizes the page; a different solution was adopted to avoid the creation of superfluous categories. Best, —Carlos Email.gif 19:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
I've applied Translator template for Mick Swithinbank on more than 200 pages. Claude (talk) 08:39, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Excellent work, Claude. I sent an email to Mick Swithenbank to say that I'd started doing this. the composer page seemed to be the more sensible one to add the Translator category and the automatic listing to. I've recently added William Mahrt as a translator. Only identified one so far, but I know there are many more lurking about. I hope I've identified the correct William Mahrt when creating his translator page.
Jamesgibb (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi James, you'll notice that I've added this new template to most text pages. It complements the manual listings by showing links that were left out for any reason. If the manual list is already complete, nothing is displayed by {{TextAutoList}}. Text pages that currently have something being displayed by this template are gathered under category Text pages with automated partial lists for easier tracking. Please never remove the template, even when the manual list is complete: it will be useful to flag when a new work starts pointing to a specific text page. A last tip: if you see a work listed both on the manual list and on the dynamic list, it's because the page was renamed but the manual list was not updated. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 04:04, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

No problem, take your time. And another tip: if you spot a work on the dynamic list that shouldn't be there for any reason, you now have the option to remove it from the list by adding |list=no at the end of {{LinkText}}. —Carlos Email.gif 21:03, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Pange lingua

Hi James, In the absence of edit summaries I'm not quite sure what you're aiming at with removals/additions to Pange lingua: is the idea to ultimately merge Pange lingua - Tantum ergo (Gregorian chant) and Pange lingua (Gregorian chant)? Btw, at some point it might be good to either alphabetize "Gregorian" with anon., or discuss a way to make text pages consistent. Richard Mix (talk) 22:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I did follow the debate about whether to have a separate text page for Tantum. The question I really meant to ask was about the work page Pange lingua (Gregorian chant) which disappeared from Pange lingua after this edit. I'll have a go at editing the page myself, and you can let me know what you think if you like. Richard Mix (talk) 23:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk pages

Hi James, one more request: when moving pages to fix capitalization, please remember to check if there's a talk page associated with it. In that case, both redirects should be deleted (see here for one such example; I've spotted and deleted a couple of these recently). Remember that if you select to "not leave redirects behind" when moving a page, you'll get rid of both redirects simultaneously. And while we're on this subject: I know that CPDL's custom regarding redirects is to get rid of them as much as possible. I have myself deleted lots of redirects in the past, but I have changed my mind in recent years, after reading arguments in favor of them on Wikipedia and IMSLP. These sites usually don't delete redirects, unless they're flagrant typos; on IMSLP, if a page is moved 10 times, all 10 old titles remain as redirects. For the one side, multiple variants make the work more easily locatable, and for the other, a deleted redirect may prevent someone who had stored that link from finding the page after one or more page moves. What do you think? —Carlos Email.gif 05:42, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Morley 'Haec Dies'

hi :D this should have a 'quam fecit Dominus' rather than 'quem fecit Dominus'. InfernoXV (talk) 09:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

You don't seem to have a talk page to reply to, so I am replying here. Thanks for pointing out the error. I've corrected, and done some other tidying up as well. Revised files now uploaded to CPDL. Jamesgibb (talk) 10:46, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Were you the first to set the Latin words to the music? Do we call it a motet, an anthem, or something else? InfernoXV (talk) 07:40, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think so. I found it with English text set - apparently the original was a madrigal of which I was unaware - and decided to fit the Latin to it. Looking again at it, it is slightly "clunky" in places, but for the most part, works reasonably well.
I tend to call anything sacred in Latin a motet, especially if it's early, but I think motet/anthem is a very fuzzy area.
Jamesgibb (talk) 09:06, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

We'll be using this in a free recital next week, may we credit you in the programme? InfernoXV (talk) 12:30, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, very happy to have my name mentioned. You might also like to mention CPDL too, if it doesn't clutter things too much.Jamesgibb (talk) 14:06, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Recitals done! I hope you will forgive us for sending you a pdf rather than a physical programme: . Thank you again! InfernoXV (talk) 00:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Agnello di Dio

Hi James, do you think it's worth creating separate pages for translations of sacred texts, as you did with Agnello di Dio? By doing this, texts and translations get duplicated (triplicated, n-plicated... depending on the number of translations required.) I would suggest merging it to Agnus Dei and keeping Agnello di Dio as a redirect. Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 13:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that seems sensible, Carlos. I'll make the changes shortly. Jamesgibb (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I heard a voice from heaven (Thomas Tomkins)

Hi James,

I'm trying to fix I heard a voice from heaven (Thomas Tomkins) but get so confused with {{filepath: In this case did you possibly just forget to upload the file File:I heard a Voice from Heaven.pdf? Richard Mix (talk) 21:37, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


I've been looking at gaps in the works of Tomkins (a compatriot of our patron David of Wales) at Musica Deo sacra (Thomas Tomkins) and have red-linked Christ rising & Thou art my King, which I have almost ready for upload. Before I choose another project though I thought I'd better check in with other Tomkins editors! Richard Mix (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Citing text of Paradise (Ezra Goff)

Hi James, I see you changed the text citation to the first line of stanza one (The Lord Jehovah reigns), and deleted the page And can this mighty King, which is the first line of Paradise (Ezra Goff). That was one of the options I considered; but there are several other songs (not yet in CPDL) that use the text And can this mighty King (see Hymn Tune Index). I forgot to explain this in the work description, which I will do. Anyway, that is why I created the page And can this mighty King, to cover future additions, and help users a bit; it took me some time to discover the source of these lyrics. Is your change the proper way to cite text when a later stanza is used? If so, I will do that in future. Thanks.
On another topic, I see you added a work by Billings in the Settings by composers list of Psalm 120. It seems to me that TextAutoList, used in other Psalms (e. g., Psalm 3) is an easier way to go here, but I'm not sure. Thanks. Barry Johnston Bcjohnston523 (talk) 20:10, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Ich hebe meine Augen

Hi James, I couldn't understand why you uploaded File:Ich hebe meine Augen, SWV 31 Schutz.pdf again, but under a different title. Were you having browser cache issues? —Carlos Email.gif 21:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Carlos. Richard noticed that there was an oddity in the pdf file, with the title reprinted towards the bottom of the first page. I think there was an odd glitch in the Capella software, so it took me a bit of time to sort out. I reloaded a clean version of the file but, when I checked on the works page, the error was still there. (Is there a delay before new versions of files are recognised by the system?) The easiest thing to do was to upload it under a revised name, which corrected the problem.

Jamesgibb (talk) 10:34, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Have just checked again and the old pdf is still showing the same error, even though the version I uploaded didn't have it. So it looks as though the system has retained the original version, rather than replacing it with the newly uploaded version for some reason. I don't think it's me, since I retried several times, and always got the same result.

Jamesgibb (talk) 10:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi James, it's just a cache problem, as I supposed. It usually gets updated in a couple of hours. Remember that there are two levels of caching: on your computer (browser) and on the server side. I've uploaded your new version under the old name and it appears perfectly to me, so I took the liberty to delete the duplicate one. Best, —Carlos Email.gif 15:19, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

And can this mighty King

Thank you very much, James, for your thoughtful and gracious reply, which you posted on my talk page. I agree that in this case, the page And can this mighty King does not serve an independent purpose, and I will follow this idea in future. I also will take some time to clean out the textautolist queue when I can.
About liturgical use, not all the works I have been posting (labeled as hymns for lack of a better choice) have a liturgical purpose, nor are they commonly used in church services - although most of them were formerly. For this reason, I would like to see a few more categories added to "Subgenre", especially Psalm-tune.
Thanks again. - Barry Johnston Bcjohnston523 (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Ad te levavi animam meam

Hi James,

Are there reasons to discuss for deleting some info on text pages? I've been trying to carefully note just which parts of the text are omitted. Richard Mix (talk) 00:22, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Richard, thanks for your note. I think perhaps I've been elevating neatness over usefulness on this page!
I think the essentials are:
Language (where there is more than one on the text page, like psalms)
Where the text differs from the majority of works listed. One neat way to do this is to have numbers variants, and refer to those, rather than the whole text difference.
I now agree with your view that, where the accompaniment is more than just keyboard, it's more useful for users if the instruments are listed.
If there is more than one work by the composer on the page, then the different versions should be identified by opus number, no. of voices or, perhaps in the case of hymn tunes, tune title.
I think I regard anything more as clutter. So, for example, on the page in question, "offertorium pro omne tempore' would be better placed on the works page, rather than the text page.
Do these "rules" seem sensible to you?
Jamesgibb (talk) 16:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
You're right about detail & tidiness being tradeoffs! For me a big essential is accompaniment: I've usually added this to accompanied works, leaving a cappella works unannotated, but this seems to be confusing; maybe a capp has to be made explicit…
I'm not a fan of numbered variants, which are easily messed up by subsequent editors. At Ave Maria I've been identifying variants with a brief quote; one-of-a-kind or complicated variants I prefer to have on the work page. Bogoro and "...virgo serena" should be split on the next pass… Richard Mix (talk) 23:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Bruckner - Pange lingua

Hi James,

On my user page you have written "Given your knowledge about Bruckner, please feel free to add comments to the works pages, if you notice other useful information that is not already there."

Consequently I have added the following on the page Pange lingua (Anton Bruckner): "Bruckner composed this work as Tantum ergo in 1845. The motet was first published as Pange lingua by Wöss together with the Vexilla regis in 1914 – the reason why Grasberger put is as "Pange lingua, WAB 32" after the Pange lingua, WAB 31. See Wikipedia article Tantum ergo, WAB 32."

Best regards, --Meneerke bloem (talk) 14:56, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Bruckner's works

Hi James,

I have added the missing WAB numbers to the choral works. I have also added additional info on Os justi and Trösterin Musik. The latter is not a religious, but a secular chorus (corrected).

Best regards, --Meneerke bloem (talk) 13:03, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Links to Wikipedia

Hi James,

All Bruckner's vocal works have a dedicated page on the English Wikipedia. When there is a page on the concerned work on ChoralWiki, a link to it is put on the Wikipedia page. Would I perhaps do the reverse, i.e., adding a link in the ChoralWiki pages to the concerned Wikipedia page?

FYI: I have already done the same, i.e., putting links in both directions, between Wikipedia and IMSLP.

Let me know whether it is OK for you. Best regards, --Meneerke bloem (talk) 20:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Ad caenam agni providi

Hi James,

I wonder if you remember where the lefthand column version of Ad caenam agni providi came from: all the settings seem to be of the righthand 'variant I' (making the other one variant nought? variant 1/2? ;-)). An 1841 google-book gives the left version of stanza 6 or 4, the one beginning "Iam pascha nostrum…" but the righthand version of the others… Richard Mix (talk) 06:51, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Richard.
Haven't checked right the way through, but the Victoria version seems to use at least some the the verses on the left. It looks as though I transposed the left-hand text from the works page to the text page when I added the LinkText. (Compare the only time I've been on the works page with the immediately preceding version.) Given the differences, there might be a case for reversing that change. Which is the "official" version?

Jamesgibb (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I've returned the Victoria text to the work page, with an edit summary explaining what I've done. I'm not sure whether the variant is Spanish use or a more widespread precouncilar version. Richard Mix (talk) 23:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Title of Oliver Holden's See He Rises

Hello James, I see you edited Oliver Holden page, to change "See He Rises" to "See He rises", and also moved the work page accordingly. I am somewhat confused, because this is a title. Most literary references I know say to capitalize the first and last word of titles, and also nouns, pronouns, adjectives, verbs, adverbs, and subordinate conjunctions. This is also CPDL's convention, on the page Style conventions. (This is used by Holden in the 1803 work from which I am transcribing, though oddly he has rises in this one example; a typo I think.) Thanks. -- Barry Johnston, Bcjohnston523 (talk) 15:07, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

If I may kibbutz here, the confusion is because this is a tune name that sounds like an incipit and is categorized in hymns. I've advocated all caps (but can't remember just where this was previously discussed). Template:csc isn't intended for page names but does display the conventional SEE HE RISES within pages. Richard Mix (talk) 20:59, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
I would prefer to call "See He Rises" the title of a psalm-song, rather than the title of a tune (notice that this title refers to the words, not the tune). In either case, it is a proper title in the sense of the Style conventions (and is not an incipit = first line) -- and so should be capitalized accordingly. Recall that this work was written many years before the conventions of hymnology were devised, so naming this work by its first line is inappropriate and against the composer's intentions (I believe). Bcjohnston523 (talk) 14:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Problem with Add Work form

Thank you for notifying me, James. Problem solved. I'm setting up a new mirror today, and I did a mistake when editing a configuration file.

I tried to contact you via email and whatsapp regarding tomorrow's lunch, I'm available if it's OK for you. Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 17:36, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

It can only have been a short-term problem, Max, since Brian Marble uploaded something only an hour or so before I tried to. Glad I spotted it and that it is now sorted.

Yes tomorrow good for us. See longer message on Whatsapp about the tech problems you had contacting me. Suggest we meet tomorrow at the top of the funicolare at say 12:45. We'll book somewhere, althought the restaurant we went to last time appears to be shut. Jamesgibb (talk) 18:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Confitebor tibi Domine in toto corde meo

Hi James,

Besides my usual pet peeves (one ought to be able to infer a cappella if no acc. specified; "tense and order altered" from what, exactly?) I wonder whether it's useful to consider Confitebor tibi Domine in toto corde meo... a 'standard' text: all 3 settings are different from each other as well as different from the mode I Offertory for Lent 5 (the LU indexes this as "Confitebor toto"). Richard Mix (talk) 20:39, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Insanae et vanae curae

Hi James! Could you please have a look at this error report? Thanks!

Carlos (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Recessit Pastor noster

Hi James!

Do you remember the source of the alternate verse mentioned at Recessit Pastor noster? I can't find it in the page histories, or in books… Richard Mix (talk) 05:53, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Use of SortWorks on Daniel Read page

Hi James, I see you put a {{#Sortworks:}} on the Daniel Read page, and I'm a little mystified about why you put it where you did -- Some time ago, I had organized this page by year of publication using SortWorks. The result of your recent action is that now everything is repeated. If you wish to have all works listed alphabetically, I can do that, but I would rather use my little dpl script that shows the year of publication (see Jacob French or Oliver Holden for examples). Thanks! — Barry Johnston (talk) 22:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Now I see you removed it, I guess you can just ignore my previous post. Please let me know if you see something I need to do differently. Thanks! — Barry Johnston (talk) 01:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Barry, currently I'm working through the compose pages (from Z) using {{#SortWorks:}} to tidy them up. I tried that on your alphabetical list, but removed it as soon as I realised that it sorted by tune name, not by first line! Had failed to notice that it was one of your pages, or I would have left it alone, given that you know what you are doing better than I do!Jamesgibb (talk) 06:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Palestrina genres

Hi James,

I'm watching with interest the attempts at automating Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina by genre (you might tell me what you think of Sortable list of Josquin des Prez compositions, which I began in a sand box and left as a separate page). Changing subgenres to make things fit can have far-reaching consequences: I already spent a while trimming Masses by moving Requiems out of the parent category. And if you need to add Cat:Motets to Ave Regina caelorum a 5 (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina), you should do so without removing Votive antiphons. Richard Mix (talk) 21:27, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


Hi James, it was a good idea to contact other composers/editors to explain the changes happening on composer pages. Thanks! —Carlos (talk) 21:40, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Carlos, although personally I think the Sortworks changes are an immense improvement, particularly with a couple of recent additions that Max has made, I've aware that the automatic sorting has some minor disadvantages. For example, a list of psalms now gets sorted in the order, 1,11,112,113... , not 1,2,3... There may be other disadvantages that we haven't thought of. It therefore seems sensible to ask some of our bigger contributors and some more recent, how they felt. So far the feedback has been largely positive. Once I've collated all the replies, I'll share them round.Jamesgibb (talk) 07:48, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
In fact, there are a couple of situations in which some sort of grouping is desirable, apart from the purely alphabetical order: madrigals in several parts, song cycles, Anglican services (when the Magnificat and the Nunc dimittis are in separate pages) are some examples that I can think of right now. Still have no idea how to deal with these cases from the perspective of Sortworks. —Carlos (talk) 08:21, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Incidentally, how do I archive stuff from this page? it's getting a bit unmanageable!Jamesgibb (talk) 07:51, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

You have two options:
  1. Move this whole page to a subpage named User talk:Jamesgibb/Archive 1 and remove the #REDIRECT from here;
  2. Cut the conversations that you want to archive from this page and paste them on User talk:Jamesgibb/Archive 1; then add a link here to the archive.
Regards, —Carlos (talk) 08:21, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Carlos. Jamesgibb (talk) 08:27, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi James! I have made a page showing composers not using Sort Works here. Composers I have converted to SortWorks: Ebenezer Child, Lewis Edson, Elijah Griswold, Elias Mann, Nehemiah Shumway, Timothy Swan, Abraham Wood. John Dowland could be done (if I could mass-insert {{Published|<year>}} into page). Composers to remain without SortWorks, if you don't mind: Daniel Belknap, William Billings, Oliver Holden, Stephen Jenks, Daniel Read. I will convert more as I find them. Thanks so much! — Barry Johnston (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Barry. Indeed, once I'd noticed that you were managing a composer page, I've left it severely alone. I think I'm coming round to the view that, if we know someone is managing a composer page anyway, and that includes composers who are not yet dead, there's a case to leave well alone, although I think some general guidelines might be useful, to avoid too much diversity.Jamesgibb (talk) 16:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Jubilate Deo in G (John Blow)

Hi James, A quick question for you, since the IMSLP files are too big for me: Cathedral Music, Volume 3 (William Boyce) lists a Blow Jubilate in e in the contents, while Vol. 1 has a service in G. Is Jubilate Deo in G (John Blow) indeed from the former? Richard Mix (talk) 20:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Richard. May be a typo on my part, so I'll check. (The files are indeed huge, and one can lose the will to live while they download!) Jamesgibb (talk) 06:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
You are right, Richard. Correction made. In fact, Vol 1 also has a Jubilate in A.Jamesgibb (talk) 06:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Tallis' Communion Service as larger work?

James, It seems to me Communion service in D minor (Thomas Tallis) would be better as a larger work. For that purpose I wrote a template, called {{LargeWork}}. I tested it on the Thomas Tallis page, for the works in Archbishop Parker's Psalter. What do you think? Is this something you could use? Feel free to tell me if I am off the mark. — Barry Johnston (talk) 16:07, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Barry, sorry for the prolonged silence. My ISP decided that I was a robot while a was in Italy and I'm slowly working through the mountain of email that accumulated.

I've thought about your suggestion and certainly agree that what you have done with Archbishop Parker's Psalter is sensible. However, I think communion services should (by analogy) be treated in the same way as masses, with all the parts on the same works page, rather than splitting them up into separate works pages. Jamesgibb (talk) 08:53, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

That sounds correct to me, that you follow the standard pattern and leave this page the way it is. What I am trying to do is move in the direction of being able to automate composer pages with larger works in them. I hope my template is a small step towards that. Thanks! — Barry Johnston (talk) 17:59, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Rocco Rodio

Hi James, I'd like to add a composer page for Rocco Rodio (c.1530-1615) so I can upload scores I've been working on. Is there a step by step guide, or has this function been assigned to admins only? Wikipedia page here: Thanks, Will.

Barry, just as a matter of common courtesy, please do NOT delete comments from my own page and superimpose your own. You are of course perfectly welcome to add your own comments.Jamesgibb (talk) 09:57, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi James. I must apologize, I didn't realize I was deleting your comments. We must have been writing at the same time, and I should have noticed. Please forgive me. — Barry Johnston (talk) 14:25, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Creating new Category listing

Hello James

I would like to add some pages covering the Chester Books of Motets vols 1-16 using the same style as Carols for Choirs 3. The plan was to add these to the Anthem Collections and Music Publications categories.

I've created the pages in txt documents on my computer but I cannot find a way to transfer these pages onto CPDL. Any help/advice would be very welcome.

Many thanks Dtmr (talk) 17:16, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like a good thing to do. However, I only speak pidgin Wiki, so probably wouldn't be much use! People who would be able to help are: Carlos or Max Capozza (Choralia), whose contact details you will find on the list of CPDL administrators in the left-hand menu. Another person who could help is Barry Johnston, (who I think i about to become and administrator and is very active on the site). If he's not on the Administrator list, check the Contributors' list for a link to his contact details. If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll see what I can do to help.

Jamesgibb (talk) 17:43, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice James, much appreciated Dtmr (talk) 17:55, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Problem after php upgrade

Hi James, the server was updated to a new php version today, as upgrading is mandatory to update the MediaWiki software in the future. To my surprise, the new php version was not built with a specific extension named mysqli, which I thought it was mandatory on all new php versions. I've re-built the system including mysqli and a test submission I made worked fine. Could you please try to submit your edition again? Thank you very much. Max a.k.a. --Choralia (talk) 16:30, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Max. That worked perfectly, so problem solved.

Jamesgibb (talk) 21:15, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Distler/Der Jahrkreis Foreword

Hello James. Thank you for your help with the Jahrkreis entries. I feel that the Jahrkreis set needs the Foreword (Vorwort) to the whole book. I have in with a good translation (.pdf), but I don't know how or where to insert it. There must be a way. Can you help? Thanks.

Jim Pearson

Hi Jim. I think a suitable place for it would be in the category Music publications. If you click on the link Music scores in the lefthand menu, you'll find the subcategory listed there.

I order to get it there, try this. (You'll need to be logged in). 1. Type the name you want it to be known by into the search box at the top right. Check that the name doesn't come up in the list.
2. If it's unique, then click on the magnifying glass.
3. You should should then get to a page which asks of you want to create the page.
4. Click on that and you'll get to a screen with a large edit area.
5. Cut and paste your text into the edit area and save it.
6. Then click on page edit again (at the top). Go to the bottom of the edit screen, where you should find. Change whatever is there to Music publications, then save again.
7. Finally, check that it's been properly loaded to the sub-category Music publications.

That should work. If it doesn't, please get back to me. Jamesgibb (talk) 12:03, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, James. I tried it. Not sure I got it right. The page is called Der Jahrkreis Vorwort.

Jim Pearson

The only thing that was missing was adding Category:Music publications at the end. I've done that and it now appears on the alphabetical list of music publications.
By the way, if you add 4 tildes(~) at the end of a comment, it will automatically add your name.

Jamesgibb (talk) 09:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

If you want to link individual works pages for the foreword, you can insert [[Der Jahrkreis Vorwort]] at an appropriate point on the works page. If you want alternative text to appear instead, simply use [[Der Jahrkreis Vorwort|alternative text]].

Jamesgibb (talk) 11:07, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

John Sheppard IN manus tuas (I)

Hi James. I notice that you have uploaded a version of this piece copied from my edition. I would be grateful if you would not do this. I have uploaded most of my editions, including this one, on the the basis that there should be no derivatives made and yours does fall into this category. Jason Smart (talk) 18:14, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Error in Morley's Nolo mortem peccatoris

Hi James. It was pointed out to me that there is a wrong note in the soprano part of your editions of 'Nolo mortem peccatoris'. In m.13, the second note (on "thy") is a step too high. -- Chucktalk Giffen 17:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Both editions now corrected and revised files uploaded. Could you thank your naonymous proofreader on my behalf?

Jamesgibb (talk) 11:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Es gingen zweene Menschen hinauf, SWV 444 (Heinrich Schütz)

Hi James,

I'm always looking forward to your Schütz editions! I was wondering (1) if "night" in m. 25 is an old German spelling or an example of the infamous Cupertino effect] (I actually do gigs in Cupertino from time to time ;-)) and (2) if you might consider including ambituses: would this piece be easily transposable for SATB… In any case please carry on! Richard Mix (talk) 21:59, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Well spotted., Richard, but don't blame the technology, blame the typist! Now corrected and revised files uploaded.
The current ranges are SSAT d-f, b-e, g-a and a-e. As you can see, the two sopranos are quite close, but a transpose down by a minor or major 3rd would probably work for SATB. Any views?Jamesgibb (talk) 07:42, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I've made a note in my Fall 2019 calendar; probably a whole tone will work for us. Richard Mix (talk) 20:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Right, Richard. Transposed down a tone and changed to SATB. Uploaded to the site. (It's more sensible to do these things immediately, rather than risk forgetting them!)Jamesgibb (talk) 07:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

The 'real' editor

Hi James! Usually when we downgrade someone from "Editor" to "Contributor" it's because the contribution's source is clearly from someplace like IMSLP or a well known print. Do you know more than is apparent to me about CPDL45122? Richard Mix (talk) 23:46, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

:No,Richard. I just assumed that, as no editing as such had taken place, it was a contribution. Feel free to undo the change, (and Merry Christmas, or Bah, Humbug, whichever you feel is more seasonal!)

Jamesgibb (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Files missing from your "I sing the birth"

Hi, James. I cannot seem to find any indication that you uploaded the files for your work I sing the birth (James Gibb). Am I missing something? Best wishes ... Chucktalk Giffen 03:01, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that, Chuck. It looks as though I inadvertently deleted both the old files and the revised files when I uploaded them in April! (I'm 75, you know!) Problem now sorted.

Jamesgibb (talk) 10:02, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Samuel Babcock

Hi, I have requested a page to be deleted, Samuel Babcock. I found out that the page had incorrect or false information. There was a Wikipedia link that directs to a page called Samuel Babcock, but the person was a bishop and not a composer. The page didn't even mention anything about him being a musical composer, nor anything related to music. Plus, I have found out that the birth and death dates were also completely different. Please delete this page, as this is nothing relevant to our mission on this wiki. Thank you for reading this! Plus, happy new year 2020. Here are the different revisions of what I'm on about. Wikipedia link: and this page on this wiki: --Music4Ever (talk) 20:33, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


Hi James, Now in CPDL there are two composers named: Paolo Bellasio and Paulo Bellasio. Both have a number of pieces attrubuted. I am certain that these composers are one and the same, as also the identical birth and death dates suggest. How can this be remedied?

I chose you to help rather randomly as we have had discussions in the past. I hope you don't mind. Wverkaik (talk) 13:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure you are right, Willem. I think it sensible to standardise on Paolo, since most people will assume that's the correct Italian name. I've changed the composer name on 3 of the Paulo's. For Donna i begli occhi, I've merged your page with anfre Vierendeel' edition. It would be useful if you can double-check that I haven't inadvertently introduced any errors.

Jamesgibb (talk) 16:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

A kibitzer here: The Grove article at OMO gives [Belasio] as an alias, but not Paulo. Is the later actually a genuine variant? Richard Mix (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you James. I agree completely. I think now the page Paulo Bellasio can be deleted? Wverkaik (talk) 11:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Willem & Richard. I've deleted the Paulo Bellasio page, but left it in as an alias on the Paolo Bellasio page for the moment. I've also added Richard Mix's alternative spelling as an alias.

Jamesgibb (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Text page O Oriens (Advent antiphon 5)

Hi James,

I'm finding it a little strange not to be frazzled by the holiday; hope you're doing well!

I have two proposals for you about textpages, which I hope will make sense: 1) For disambiguation, Gregobase (8 versions of the same Mag. antiphon for Dec 21) and CANTUS (a very rare O oriens ex alto nos for the Conversion of Paul) are really useful, and I'd suggest O Oriens splendor (no comma, as per mediaeval usage and modern Solesmes indices) as the most useful page name in this case.

2) You seem to have borrowed from the version of the text at O Oriens (Carlo Gesualdo), where brackets were used to show an omission from the Solesmes text that is peculiar to Gesualdo's setting. This might be needlessly confusing to someone navigating to the text page from O Oriens (William Armiger), which uses "[et sol justitiae:]" or from O Dayspring (John Stainer) where "O Dayspring! Brightness of the everlasting light, and Sun of Righteousness" doesn't match the text page's English. In view of how much double checking this requires, I favor leaving specific variations on the original work page instead of deleting them when adding LinkText.

Wishing you a very happy Easter! Richard Mix (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for prolonged delay in replying, Richard. I have a habit of putting off essential, but not necessary interesting, tasks! Agree with you and have made appropriate changes, but feel free to make further adjustments you think are necessary.Jamesgibb (talk) 10:03, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

SWV 65

Hi James, There is no Score Error, but you may want to add a title to the score.
Gerd Eichler (talk) 15:20, 07 July 19:25 (CEST)

Thanks for spotting that, Gerd. Now corrected.Jamesgibb (talk) 06:32, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Date formats

Hello James,

You recently revised your music files on Salve Regina, D. 386 (Franz Schubert); thanks for including the fact and the date in the Edition notes. However, you referred to the date as "07/05/22". I know what you mean, but others may not, especially after July 5. The date as you presented it is interpreted by MediaWiki as "5 Jul 2022", however. Two commonly used date formats on CPDL and Wikipedia seem to be "7 May 2022" and "2022-05-07". Though the #time parser function accepts the American "5/7/22", I don't use this format on CPDL any more, because it is confusing (though it is unavoidable where I live, other formats unfortunately being subject to derision as "foreign", like metric measurements, alas). With some trouble I think I have finally broken the "5/7/22" habit. And one of my other hobbies, historical photography, has broken me of listing the last two digits of the year. In the end, though, you are welcome to change or not, as you wish. Thanks for listening. Cheers, Barry — Barry Johnston (talk) 16:36, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Good point, Barry. I've changed this one and will endeavour to remember to use that format in future. I suspect there are rather a lot of the same thing scattered about the site in my pages, but I think I will alter them as I come upon them, rather than devote my life to finding them. No problem if you find an instance and choose to change it, though. Jamesgibb (talk) 16:46, 7 May 2022 (UTC)