Talk:Lamentationes Jeremiae Prophetae (Francesco Durante)

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Jerusalem Convertere : possible errors in score #62100

The partition comes from a manuscript in Bayerische Staatsbibliothek, Munich, that is on imslp (thank you for this work). It seems that there are some errors in this manuscrit, at least according to versions sung on youtube and to these two manuscripts on Gallica :

(and also because of sometimes weird harmony).

Here are what we notice (most of them detected by my choirmaster), from page 51 of the score :

  1. bar 13  : Alto part - 3rd beat: "G" in place of "C" (Sol / Do)
  2. bars 14-16 : Sopr part - text : only one convertere, replace "te-re con-ver-te-re" by hyphens
  3. bars 28-30 : Alto part - text : the same
  4. bars 33-35 : Sopr part - text : the same
  5. bar 33  : Sopr part - 3rd beat : "A" in place of "C" (La / Do)
  6. bars 39-40 : Sopr and Alto parts : divide the whole note of bar 39 a in two half notes, set "ver-" on the second half note, not bar 40 (S. and A.)
  7. bars 41-42 : Sopr and Alto parts - text : "Je-ru-sa-lem" in place of the first "con-ver-te-re"
  8. bar 44  : Alto - 3rd beat : B in place of A (Si / La) (quarter note)
  9. bar 51  : Bass - 3rd beat : G in place of F (Sol / Fa) (quarter note)
  10. bar 64  : Ten - 1st beat  : C natural not # (Do naturel / Do #)
  11. bar 64  : B.c. - 1st beat  : C in place of D (Do / Ré)

I donnot check the instrumental parts. Pr (talk) 18:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Further checks on this work

I had the opportunity to compare the choral parts of the edition available here at CPDL [CPDL] with a choral score (no instrumental parts) published by Philippe Caillard (catalogue number X 231) [PC], and then I checked the differences against the manuscript score available at IMSLP [IMSLP]. These are my findings.

Incipit oratio Jeremiae prophetae

Soprano, bar 77: the first two notes (dotted crotchet and quaver) are C in [PC] and [IMSLP], B in [CPDL].

Soprano, bar 95 and alto, bar 100: text is “versa” in [PC] and [IMSLP], “versas” in [CPDL].

Soprano and alto, bar 107: syllables are anticipated by one quarter in [PC], while they are placed one quarter later in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Alto, bar 33: the last but three note (semiquaver) is B natural in [PC], B flat (due to the key signature) in [CPDL]. In [IMSLP] the situation is not completely clear, as something seems canceled nearby the notes.

Alto, bar 67: the second note (crotchet) is A flat in [PC] and [IMSLP], E (flat) in [CPDL].

Alto, bar, bar 85: the word “nostrum” is repeated in [CPDL] and [IMSLP], not in [PC].

Tenor, bar 61: the syllable “Re” is placed on the second note (quaver, E flat) in [PC] and [IMSLP], on the first note (crotched, D) in [CPDL].

Tenor, bar 67: the second note (quaver) is F natural in [PC] and [IMSLP], F sharp in [CPDL]

Recordare Domine

This piece shows some additional complexity because it is repeated twice with small differences (and possibly some errors) in [CPDL] and [IMSLP], while only one instance is present in [PC].

Soprano, bar 9: the third note (crotchet) is D natural in [PC] and [IMSLP], F in [CPDL]. In [CPDL], when the piece is repeated, the same note is D natural.

Soprano, bar 12: the last note (minim) is B (flat) in [PC], D natural in [CPDL] and [IMSLP]. However, when the piece is repeated, the same note is B (flat) in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Soprano, bar 28: the last note (minim) is A flat in [PC] and [IMSLP], B (flat) in [CPDL]. In [CPDL], when the piece is repeated, the same note is A flat.

Alto, bar 7 - 9: the positioning of syllables of [PC] differs from [CPDL] and [IMSLP] when the piece is performed the first time. When the piece is performed the second time, [CPDL] differs from [PC] and [IMSLP] instead (the [CP] positioning has been retained at Choralia).

Alto, bar 45 (208): the first note (semibreve) is A natural in [PC], A (flat) in [CPDL] and [IMSLP]. When the piece is performed the second time, also [CPDL] and [IMSLP] show A natural.

Tenor, bar 4: the last note (crotchet) is E (flat) in [PC] and [IMSLP], F in [CPDL]. In [CPDL], when the piece is repeated, the same note is E (flat).

Tenor, bar 5: the first note (F) is a semibreve (followed by a minim rest) in [PC], a dotted semibreve in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Tenor, bar 7: the syllable "re" is placed on the second note (C, crotchet) in [PC], while it is placed on the first note (B flat, dotted minim) in [CPDL] and [IMSLP]. When the piece is performed the second time, the same syllable is placed on the second note also in [CPDL] and [IMSLP], although the second note is B flat rather than C.

Tenor, bar 18: in [PC] a syllable "mi", which is present in [CPDL] and [IMSLP], is missing on the last note. When the piece is performed the second time, the note durations are altered in [CPDL] (two semibreves rather than a dotted semibreve and a minim).

Tenor, bar 19: the first note (D flat) is a semibreve (followed by a minim rest) in [PC], a dotted semibreve in [CPDL] and [IMSLP]. When the piece is performed the second time, [CPDL] and [IMSLP] also show a semibreve followed by a minim rest.

Tenore, bar 42: notes are C (dotted semibreve), D natural (crotchet), C (crotchet) in [PC] and [IMSLP], while they are C (dotted minim), D natural (crotchet), C (semibreve) in [CPDL]. When the piece is performed the second time, the note durations are C (dotted semibreve), D natural (crotchet), C (crotchet) in all three editions.

Tenore, bar 42 – 45: in [CPDL] and [IMSLP] the word "Domine" is repeated consistently with the note duration, while in [PC] the word is not repeated.

Patres nostri peccaverunt

Soprano, bar 16: in [PC] two quavers (E, syllable "ta") are combined in a crotchet, while they are divided in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Soprano, bar 18: the last note (quaver) is E in [PC], A in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Alto, bar 15: the first note (quaver) is D in [PC], C in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Alto, bar 33: the only note (crotchet) is B in [PC], F in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Alto, bar 42: the first note (quaver) is B in [PC], A in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Alto, bar 52: the last note (crotchet) is F in [PC] and [IMSLP], A in [CPDL].

Tenor, bar 35: the last note (minim) is C (sharp) in [PC] and [IMSLP], C natural in [CPDL].

Tenor, bar 38: the last but four note (quaver) is A in [PC], C (sharp) in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Bass, bar 9: the first syllable is "et" in [PC], "non" in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

In animabus nostris

Soprano, bar 91: the last note (quaver) is B in [PC] and [IMSLP], F (sharp) in [CPDL].

Alto, bar 112: the second note (semiquaver) is F (sharp) in [PC], G sharp in [CPDL], G natural in [IMSLP].

Tenor, bar 91: the last note (quaver) is D sharp in [PC] and [IMSLP], F natural in [CPDL].

Jerusalem convertere

Soprano, bar 14 – 15: the word “convertere” is repeated in [CPDL] and [IMSLP], not in [PC].

Soprano, bar 16: the third note (quaver) is G in [PC] and [IMSLP], B (flat) in [CPDL].

Soprano, bar 33 (518): the second note (dotted crotchet) is A in [PC] and [IMSLP], C in [CPDL].

Soprano, bar 33 – 34: the word “convertere” is repeated in [CPDL] and [IMSLP], not in [PC].

Soprano, bar 39 - 40: the syllable "ver" is placed on the second note (minim) of bar 39 in [PC], while it is placed on the first note of bar 40 (crotchet) in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Soprano, bar 41 – 42: lyrics are “Jerusalem convertere” in [PC], “convertere, convertere” in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Soprano, bar 61: the third and fourth note (quavers) are respectively B (flat) and D in [PC], D and F in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Alto, bar 13: the last note (crotchet) is G in [PC], C in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Alto, bar 26 – 27: the word “convertere” is repeated in [CPDL] and [IMSLP], not in [PC].

Alto, bar 29: the last but one note (semiquaver) is C sharp in [PC] and [IMSLP], E natural in [CPDL].

Alto, bar 39: two minims (both B flat) are present in [PC] and [IMSLP], and the syllable "ver" is placed on the second one in [PC] (no lyrics are present in [IMSLP], while in [CPDL] the two minims are merged into a semibreve, and the syllable "ver" is placed on the first note of the next bar.

Alto, bar 44: the third note (crotchet) is B (flat) in [PC] and [IMSLP], A in [CPDL].

Tenor, bar 40: the last note (crotchet) is D in [PC], B (flat) in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Tenor, bar 51: the last note (crotchet) is G in [PC], B (flat) in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Tenor, bar 64: the first note (minim) is C in [PC], C sharp in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Bass, bar 51: the last note (crotchet) is G in [PC] and [IMSLP], F in [CPDL].

Bass, bar 57: the first note (dotted quaver) is G in [PC], A in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Bass, bar 60 - 61: lyrics are “Jerusalem convertere” in [PC], “convertere, convertere” in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].


The training aids available at Choralia follow the variations highlighted in bold above. Choralia (talk) 19:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)