Category talk:Solo Bass
This category seems un-defined. 1) should low-voice songs not specifically for bass be included here or in another category? 2) should all large works with solo quartet be included, or only those with an aria (I can't see why most Mozart masses should be here) or only those with Bass as the only/main soloist?. Richard Mix 11:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the long reply; I had found the discussion at cat:solo vocal after posing my questions and edited the description here; I'll add CHoral bass solo. I mostly agree with your 2, with the slight reservations that
- 2a) I would rather see Petite Messe Solennelle (Gioachino Rossini) in Solo Bass and Solo Tenor than moved to Solo TB.
- (2b) O Isis und Osiris or the Chanson du Brander with their slight choral interjections are more usefully placed here, while Choral bass solo is good for verse anthems like O sing unto the Lord (Henry Purcell) where the chorus cannot be treated as ad lib.
On another point, does it make sense to put a cleanup tag on a category page when it is the (many) listed pages that actually need fixing (ie, Leise flehen meine Lieder (standchen) for Soprano (Franz Schubert))? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Mix (talk • contribs) on 21:57, 8 January 2010.
- I think of the categories in a completely different way to you, Chuck:
- Choral bass solo - the piece contains a solo where a member of a choir would be able to (possibly expected to) perform it, eg. one would not pay a professional bass soloist to sing the verse passages of Magnificat and Nunc dimittis (The Fifth Service) (Thomas Tomkins), rather they would be sung by one of the basses from the choir.
- Solo Bass - the piece is a solo work for a bass (eg. song for bass and piano) or is a large work that contains a movement that is to be sung by a solo bass and accompaniment (eg. aria from an oratorio) or is a work which requires chorus, accompaniment and soloist(s) (eg. Missa Brevis in G major, KV 49 (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart) where there are solo passages for bass which are unlikely to be performed with a member of the choir singing the solo).
- Now I know that the final part of my second point is a bit dodgy - sometimes members of the chorus do sing the solo parts, particularly if the work or part of it is being performed liturgically. However, it seems to me that it should be categorised as though it was a period performance (as far as we know).
- The bigger issue of Solo SATB vs. Solo Soprano, Solo Alto, Solo Tenor & Solo Bass is much more complicated and I agree that we may have overcomplicated things when these categories were created. Perhaps it would be best to reserve the combined categories (Solo SATB etc.) for works which are just that - a duet, trio, quartet, etc. and not for larger works that contain a number of arias for each soloist but never more than one in a particular movement... this is tricky. --Bobnotts talk 12:14, 9 January 2010 (UTC)