Talk:Non habemus vinum a 6 (Stefano Bernardi)
Hi Vaarky, it's problematic to define a work's style just by date: there were many composers who still adhered to an old style well after a new one would be already fully developed. This seems to be the case of Bernardi, as is clear in this excerpt from his biography:
- "He published his counterpoint treatise when he was hovering on the brink of the new concertato style (=Baroque) while still adhering to a traditional polyphonic idiom (=Renaissance). The dichotomy between old and new is typified in the exactly contemporary 1615 collection of masses, some of which are a cappella and some concertato. The former are in a kind of watered-down post-Palestrinian idiom (=Renaissance), fluent and occasionally expressive; one is based on Arcadelt’s famous Il bianco e dolce cigno, then almost 80 years old (!!!)."
Listening to this work, I'd say it sounds more like a sacred madrigal than a motet, but I'm far from being an expert on this matter :) —Carlos 05:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
- Wow, you were quicker than my post! lol
- In the case of Capricornus, I believe you change was correct, Beati Immaculati sounds for me as an early Baroque piece. —Carlos
05:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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Yup, when I saw your edit in the logs, I added back Renaissance so he'd show under both the Baroque and Renaissance categories. It's most important to have the composer show up under either category someone would expect, so better to list two than just one category if there is any disagreement. For what it's worth, I disagree with the Renaissance classification. My thinking is that anyone living in Europe (it's a bit different in the New World) who was only 15 years old when the 1600s began is hardly a Renaissance composer and spent essentially their entire adulthood in the early Baroque period. This composer may still have composed in Stile Antico, but so can a 20th century composer and yet we do not classify living composers as being of the Renaissance period. This point is just for debate's sake, since I think we are in agreement about how the listing should read. | |