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Template Edc

A comment: "Edc" is not an intuitive code-name, and even if it handles multiple parameters I'm not sure why "arranged by {{Cat|N N arrangements|N N}} {{for {{Cat|SATB}}" wouldn't be preferable in the Edition notes field. Richard Mix (talk) 05:20, 15 May 2021 (UTC) (moved from User talk:CHGiffen)

Hi Richard, I have been responding to your earlier comment (elsewhere) that "there should be a simpler way" than "Arranged by {{Cat|N N arrangements|N N}} for {{Vcat|SATB}}". Now I'M confused! {{Edc}} was actually intended to be a template called by the overall template Edchange, which would take multiple parameters (when I get the code written). Is "Edchange" more intuitive?
Also, please see that I am trying to think ahead to what the new AddEdition form should look like. In my mind, the new AddEdition form would include questions
"Is your new edition an arrangement of the original work? If so, arranger's name is [name]"
which would trigger template {{Edc|arr|box}}, and
"Does your new edition change Language, Voicing, Lyricist, Translator, Genre, or Subgenre?" (followed by appropriate input boxes)
which would trigger the more-inclusive template {{EdChange}}.
The new form would be easier if it includes a different template (EdChange), since then editors would get used to using that in their editing – and we would leave better tracks for future editors. — Barry Johnston (talk) 15:45, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
"EdChange" sounds like something is being updated or revised (it would be nice to keep track: CPDL #25859 got a new link in 2017 that's not part of the File history File:Come, clap thy hands Weelkes.pdf). I don't quite grasp why Edition notes would require a different template than General information (Template:WkUnchanged ??); it seems like more to memorize.
Holy Manna (William Moore) has Category:William Hauser arrangements at the bottom of the page, and I'd agree it would be better to have something blue in the CPDL #63349 Edition notes; my impulse would be towards Template:Arranger2 (or ArrCat, maybe) that would link and categorize the name without producing the bolded Arranger: or just a tweek to Template:Arranger. Richard Mix (talk) 19:52, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I am just working through writing Template:EdChange now; I wanted to see several hundred work pages before I decided on the format of the code. EdChange is needed because currently there is no way of properly categorizing editions (that have changes in text, lyricist, arranger, translator, voices, language, or instrumentation) instead of making a mess of the templates in the General Information section – and in the process losing sight of the voicing, language, etc. of the original composition. Look at Adeste fideles (Traditional), Dover (Amos Pilsbury), or many other pages. And the voicing template at Panis angelicus (César Franck) has gotten way out of hand – incomprehensible to most users, I think.
I don't understand the issue with CPDL #25859.
There are a lot of editions that should read something like "Arranged by George Firdbird for five voices SAATB with lyrics in German, accompaniment by 2 trumpets and 2 violins." I'm just trying to make it easier to do without remembering a bunch of codes and the names of categories. — Barry Johnston (talk) 18:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I suppose the best way up to now has been as at Ave Maria (Méditation sur… Bach) (Charles Gounod): solo soprano in General information about the original (ahem) arrangement, and other arrangers voicings linked from the work page within the relevant Edition note sections, as I would think should be done for Panis angelicus (César Franck). Am I missing something, though? I'm as you know a fan of prose, so learning new parameters to replace old codes alarms me ;-)
Come clap thy hands (Thomas Weelkes) was quite tangental: I sometime imagine a "Updated editions" box on the main page, where one could see recent removals of Template:ScoreError. CPDL #25859 is a case where the File:Come, clap thy hands Weelkes.pdf doesnt have the file history because it replaced an older link, File:Come, clap thy hands.pdf. Richard Mix (talk) 01:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)