Talk:Heruvimskaya pesn' No. 7 (Dmitri Bortniansky)
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Merge discussion
- Merge - These are indeed the same work. The phonetic transliterated underlay of "Ige Herouvimy" is the only real difference (and "Ige" should be "Izhe"). I've sung this work a few times and heard it many more times. -- Chucktalk Giffen♫ 15:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- Merge - Chuck is right, the works are the same, this score used a transliteration based on French. Following the rules currently in use on the English Wikipedia, the title would be changed to "Izhe Kheruvimy", with a "Kh" instead of only "H" (which would also make it resemble more its meaning, "Cherubims"), but if the "H" is the traditional form used it should be kept. Carlos ✉ 17:39, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
- "H" versus "Kh" is a ticklish point, since in the initial position, it is more like the softer German "ch" in "ich" rather than the harder German "ch" in "ach" - I think that is why most English sources use "Heruvim" rather than "Kheruvim". By the way, the word "Cherubim" is already plural (of Cherub), the "-y" is just an ending which is part of the declension of "Heruvim". The translation of the first line is "We, who mystically represent the Cherubim". -- Chucktalk Giffen♫ 20:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Title disambiguation
This page originally had "No. 7" in its title, perhaps based on this collection. Is this numbering standard? Surely a better dab than 'SATB' is needed. Richard Mix (talk) 03:57, 19 January 2016 (UTC)