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:'''Edition notes:''' Original AAATT pitch from the 1543 Susato print. | :'''Edition notes:''' Original AAATT pitch from the 1543 Susato print. | ||
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{{Editor|Brian Russell|2008-02-17}}{{ScoreInfo|A4|4|38}}{{Copy|CPDL}} | {{Editor|Brian Russell|2008-02-17}}{{ScoreInfo|A4|4|38}}{{Copy|CPDL}} | ||
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{{Editor|Charles H. Giffen|2006-01-12}}{{ScoreInfo|Letter|6|137}}{{Copy|Personal}} | {{Editor|Charles H. Giffen|2006-01-12}}{{ScoreInfo|Letter|6|137}}{{Copy|Personal}} | ||
:'''Edition notes:''' No ''musica ficta'', otherwise same format and text underlay as CDPL #10711. | :'''Edition notes:''' No ''musica ficta'', otherwise same format and text underlay as CDPL #10711. | ||
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{{Editor|Charles H. Giffen|2006-01-12}}{{ScoreInfo|Letter|6|137}}{{Copy|Personal}} | {{Editor|Charles H. Giffen|2006-01-12}}{{ScoreInfo|Letter|6|137}}{{Copy|Personal}} | ||
:'''Edition notes:''' ''Musica ficta'' clearly indicated (probably more generous than necessary or advisable). The Canon (Quintus) on the Superius is pitched a diatonic step below the Superius. With these two voices and the Contratenor frequently overlapping in range, this creates a very rich texture. | :'''Edition notes:''' ''Musica ficta'' clearly indicated (probably more generous than necessary or advisable). The Canon (Quintus) on the Superius is pitched a diatonic step below the Superius. With these two voices and the Contratenor frequently overlapping in range, this creates a very rich texture. | ||
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{{Editor|Dick Wursten|2006-01-05}}{{ScoreInfo|A4|4|65}}{{Copy|Personal}} | {{Editor|Dick Wursten|2006-01-05}}{{ScoreInfo|A4|4|65}}{{Copy|Personal}} | ||
:'''Edition notes:''' based on a transcription of the partbooks by Klaas Spijker; transcription in modern clefs. No further editorial marks… Update of MIDI and PDF 11-01-2006 to include the 5th voice, which is a canon of the superius. Explanation: see below. | :'''Edition notes:''' based on a transcription of the partbooks by Klaas Spijker; transcription in modern clefs. No further editorial marks… Update of MIDI and PDF 11-01-2006 to include the 5th voice, which is a canon of the superius. Explanation: see below. | ||
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*{{CPDLno|10494}} [http://www.psalmen.wursten.be/partituren/crecquillon-dontvientcela.pdf {{extpdf}}] | *{{PostedDate|2005-12-26}} {{CPDLno|10494}} [http://www.psalmen.wursten.be/partituren/crecquillon-dontvientcela.pdf {{extpdf}}] | ||
{{Editor|Dick Wursten|2005-12-26}}{{ScoreInfo|A4|4|89}}{{Copy|Personal}} | {{Editor|Dick Wursten|2005-12-26}}{{ScoreInfo|A4|4|89}}{{Copy|Personal}} | ||
:'''Edition notes:''' digital copy of the 4 original part books | :'''Edition notes:''' digital copy of the 4 original part books | ||
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- Original key editions
- (Posted 2011-01-01) CPDL #22938: (Finale 2008)
- Editor: André Vierendeels (submitted 2011-01-01). Score information: A4, 4 pages, 106 kB Copyright: CPDL
- Edition notes: Original AAATT pitch from the 1543 Susato print.
- (Posted 2008-02-17) CPDL #16083:
- Editor: Brian Russell (submitted 2008-02-17). Score information: A4, 4 pages, 38 kB Copyright: CPDL
- Edition notes: NoteWorthy Composer file may be viewed and printed with NoteWorthy Composer Viewer.
- (Posted 2006-01-12) CPDL #10712:
- Editor: Charles H. Giffen (submitted 2006-01-12). Score information: Letter, 6 pages, 137 kB Copyright: Personal
- Edition notes: No musica ficta, otherwise same format and text underlay as CDPL #10711.
- (Posted 2006-01-12) CPDL #10711:
- Editor: Charles H. Giffen (submitted 2006-01-12). Score information: Letter, 6 pages, 137 kB Copyright: Personal
- Edition notes: Musica ficta clearly indicated (probably more generous than necessary or advisable). The Canon (Quintus) on the Superius is pitched a diatonic step below the Superius. With these two voices and the Contratenor frequently overlapping in range, this creates a very rich texture.
- Original key edition, but with the Canon part up an octave
- (Posted 2006-01-05) CPDL #10584:
- Editor: Dick Wursten (submitted 2006-01-05). Score information: A4, 4 pages, 65 kB Copyright: Personal
- Edition notes: based on a transcription of the partbooks by Klaas Spijker; transcription in modern clefs. No further editorial marks… Update of MIDI and PDF 11-01-2006 to include the 5th voice, which is a canon of the superius. Explanation: see below.
- Scan of original four part books
- (Posted 2005-12-26) CPDL #10494:
- Editor: Dick Wursten (submitted 2005-12-26). Score information: A4, 4 pages, 89 kB Copyright: Personal
- Edition notes: digital copy of the 4 original part books
General Information
Title: Dont vient cela
Composer: Thomas Crecquillon
Lyricist: Clément Marot , Chanson XIV, l'Adolescence Clementine (1532)
Number of voices: 5vv Voicing: SSATB
Genre: Secular, Chanson
Language: French
Instruments: A cappella
First published: 1543 in Vingt et six chansons musicales et nouvelles a cincq parties, no. 1
Description: This is five-voiced setting with four parts, the superius being a canon. Same melody is used as in the original setting of Claudin De Sermisy. The canon has to start and stop at the indicated place, only a 'secunde' lower… (at C instead of D) without transpositon of course, which results in perfect harmony but an 'estrangement' of the melody, just as Crecquillons tip suggested: Chanter vous fault estrangement: You have to sing strangely. One of Tielman Susato's publications.
External websites:
- http://www.psalmen.wursten.be/dontvient_ps10.htm (Dutch)
- http://www.psalmen.wursten.be/dontvient_ps10-english.htm (English)
Text and translations
French text
(modernized French)
D'où vient cela, Belle, je vous supplie
Que plus à moi ne vous recommandez ?
Toujours serai de tristesse rempli
Jusques à tant qu'au vrai le me mandez.
Je crois que plus d'Ami ne demandez,
Ou mauvais bruit de moi on vous révèle,
Ou votre cœur a fait amour nouvelle.